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astrodav
03-12-2010, 07:55 PM
This central area of Yell county is generally safe from most destructive weather forces. Tornadoes tend to go either north or south, a peculiarity of our geology which has been studied & written about. We set on an solid block of hard sandstone & black shale, which tends to completely isolate us from any small tremors that may make it this far from earthquakes occuring on the New Madrid Fault, or the closer Enola Swarm and Magnet Cove area fault. But this area DOES have flash floods....always has. (Not my house though, it's on top of a hill. :) :) ) By flash floods, I don't mean the kind which occurs from a levee break, but the type which happens when the ground seems to just decide instantly to not soak up any more water, causing extremely rapid, but usually short-lived, rises in creek levels.

April 1st of 1909 started out with a light sprinkle. (Some of the older locals seem to remember their parents saying it was 1910, since both years had lots of rain & several floods in the area....but the exact day seems to be a sure fact, being the first of the month) The rain had actually started well before daylight, light but steady. The first log-train arrived at the mill around 9:30 that morning. Reports were given to the mill officials, by the engineer, about the state of affairs in the creeks he had passed over that morning. Everything was business-as-usual, the creeks were flowing at just the volumn expected from this type of drizzle, nothing to be alarmed about. This news was sent out via horse & rider to Mr. Asher, letting him know that all was well, but to just keep a watch on things. The rider returned back to the mill at about the time the train had completed unloading it's logs. He notified the superintendant of the mill that everything was fine, the message had been delivered, & that Mr. Asher was well, dutifully keeping an eye on things, & had a nice fire going in his pot-bellied stove to fend off the chill in the air that day, and to dry out after his hourly trips down to the creek. There was no reason to be concerned, which relaxed any bit of tension the mill-boss may have been having.

The train left the mill headed south for another load shortly after the crew had eaten their lunch. There was still a steady sprinkle, no more/no less than what it had been doing for the last 10-12 hours. Within 15 minutes they had rounded the first curve before dropping into the little creek crossing. It hadn't changed at all in the 4 hours or so when they had crossed it coming the other way. The large iron pipes buried in the rail-bed were easily handling the flow of water coming out of the little marsh, flowing southward towards the river. The shallow & somewhat swampy depression here had about the amount of water in it which was to be expected after this type of rain event. This wasn't the FIRST time the engineer had driven a train through this area....he had been making 2 runs per day, 6 days per week, for the last 3 years or so. Nothing he saw on this trip was any different than anything he had already seen many times in the past. And even as the train started pulling out of the little creek bottom, right there at the bottom of the little ridge was another sight he had seen a hundred times already....Mr. Asher leaning against a tree, whittling on a piece of cedar, checking the condition of the creek-water. Mr. Asher waved a greeting at the train. The engineer, a Mr. Zary Cambert, waved back, blew a short greeting from the train's whistle, rounded the curve, and throttled up for the trip back into the mountains for the day's last haul. Cambert had no way of knowing then, that he would be the last person to ever see Mr. Asher.

Somewhere south of today's Nimrod Dam, after the train had crossed the river & entered the mountains, Mr. Cambert would later confirm that the drizzle had stopped & the sun had even broken through the clouds. This was sort of a mixed blessing however. As the warm sunlight hit the wet ground, it caused low-lying groundfog. This reduced visibility, which was compounded by the fact that the tracks dropped into Long Hollow after they crossed the Fourche Mtn., south of the river crossing. They followed the very bottom of this deep valley all the way to the loading area south of Rover. This fog settled into the valley & stayed there. So as to have a better chance of seeing an obstruction on the tracks, such as the Whitetail Deer which were numerous in this area (still are), Cambert had no choice but to slow down a great deal. Normally this 2nd & last load of the day would arrive back at the mill in Plainview right about dark. The night-crew would unload it & the train would be ready to head back to the woods very early the next morning. (In these days, men had no idea what a wimpy "8-hour work-day" was, but more like 14 hours) However, with this fog-forced slowdown, he could already predict this was going to be a REALLY late day.

Finally arriving at the logging site, after a painfully slow trip up the valley, the actual loading of the train went rather quickly. The mules & men were dried out from the miserable rain they had worked in all morning & were full of energy in this warmer air. Cambert used a temporary track siding spur & wye at the site to swap ends with the engine. He topped off with coal from the coal-dump while the cars were being loaded, and by the time he was done with this, the train was ready to head back to the mill. Even better, the fog had now lifted, which just might, if he pushed it hard enough, allow him to gain enough on the lost time to only be an hour or so later than usual. He was of course pulling much more weight than coming in, but this return trip was mostly down-hill. Clouds had reappeared, cooling things down again, which is probaly what caused the fog to go away. But it was only clouds this time & no rain anywhere to be seen. But what he & the logging crew had no way of knowing in this time before instant communication, is that 10 miles NE of where they were, on the opposite side of the Fourche Mountains, a brief but very intense storm known today as a Rogue Supercell, had just dumped nearly 6 inches of rain over the town of Plainview. This monster thunderstorm blew up within minutes, rained itself out, then dissipated as quickly as it had appeared, leaving only light clouds behind.

The trip back towards the north side of the river was just as Cambert had hoped...very fast & easy. Water never even crossed his mind, as the rain had been ended for a few hours now. If anything, water level in the mountain creeks that were crossed may have even fallen a bit. Seeing "light at the end of the tunnel" so to speak, the prospect of an earlier ending to what he had previously thought was going to be a very long day, had him in a much better mood than earlier. Still though, running later than usual, darkness fell upon the train about half-way between the river crossing & the straight-stretch below just below the ridge of Mr. Asher's shack. The foot-path from this shack met the tracks about 200 feet east of a slight curve, which was a couple thousand feet east of the creek crossing. This straight-stretch is where Asher would stand when water was over the tracks ahead. He of course had the schedule of when the train should be there, always knowing when it had passed by going the other direction also. And he & the engineer had worked together for so long that they kinda knew what the other was thinking. The watchman would know when the engineer would be running a little faster than usual, such as on a night like tonight, so in that case Asher would arrive at the straight-stretch a bit earlier & walk further east up the tracks. this would give the engineer more time to slow down if something was wrong up ahead. And Cambert knew what type of situation would cause the watchman to take his post further up east, or what type of situation would cause Asher to not ever show up at all with the lantern. He took his job very seriously, as he should have. And for this, the company treated him well. If Asher wasn't standing out on the eastern approach, beside the tracks with a flag or lantern in hand, then it was a 100% guarantee that all was well from there on to the sawmill.

And so this is how Cambert's train finished off most of the several-mile-long straight stretch, full steam ahead, only throttling down to about 3/4 speed as he got nearer to Mr. Asher's spot & the gentle curve right before dropping into the creek bottom. Straining his eyes, looking as far ahead as possible, Cambert could see no hint of red light in the distance. This was good news, excellent news, since he was very tired from this long day. But just to be safe, he even dimmed the light on the front of the train down quite a bit, letting his night vision work as hard as it could to catch a dim bit of red. There simply wasn't any. Asher was not down by the tracks. So that meant only one thing....there was nothing of concern between here & home. Cambert finally relaxed completely & settled back in his seat. The train rounded the gentle curve & started the slight downhill grade towards the creek. The engineer turned the switch which put the train-light back at full brightness, looked back up & ahead ...... and saw an unending sheet of jet black swampy water.

There was no time to react at all. Cambert would testify later, at the committee which was put together to investigate the accident, that he didn't remember jumping from the train, nor telling his brakeman to jump. His brakeman testified similarly, that he didn't remember hearing Cambert say anything, nor remember jumping off himself. The impact was almost instantaneous & there really wasn't time for words or even to think. The next thing that both of them claimed to remember, after seeing the water, was that they were both laying on their backs, just a couple feet from each other, about 20-30 feet away from the tracks, almost exactly beside the position where Cambert had turned the light back on full brightness. They had no idea how they got there, but were far enough away that the entire train...all 10 cars...safely shot past them, slamming into the water one after the other, kinda like an accordion.

Of course we have no way to actually see how this happened exactly, but it probaly looked a bit like the below pictures, only alot more violent:


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Somehow or another, both the engineer & the brakeman came out of this mess with only muddy clothes. Being as the time between seeing water & impacting water was literally just a couple seconds, they SHOULD have wound up scattered amongst the pieces of their train. Taking stuff like luck, Murphy's Law, & simple reflex into account, the very BEST that should have happened here is that they immediately jumped off the train, landed 3 or 4 feet away from the tracks, then gotten smacked by, or buried in a pile of logs. How & why they both wound up several yards from the tracks, in almost the same identical area, was something they never quite figured out.

Something else no one figured out is what happened to Mr. Asher. During the clean-up phase, crews were put to work searching the swamp for a body, working eventually all the way south to the river. They found nothing. And something else was missing from the shack & the area also....Mr. Asher's coal-oil lamp. The wreck clean-up took a little over a month & the search for Asher's body was called off then also. The logs were pulled the rest of the way to the mill by teams of mules. About half of the log-cars were able to be patched up & eventually put back in service, the other half were cut up & sold for scrap. The big & solid-built locomotive had some damage to the front & rear, but the boiler luckily didn't explode. A rail-crane was brought in from the Cotton Belt yard at Pine Bluff & she was put back up on the hastily repaired tracks. Being as these tracks had pretty much already served their purpose & most of the biggest cedars had now been harvested, Fort Smith Lumber made the decision to sell the engine to Cotton Belt & she was towed to Pine Bluff when the crane went back. The tracks were gradually ripped out & salvaged, although some logging was done for the next few years by mule-team. About 10 years after the accident, the Fort Smith Lumber main sawmill burned to the ground. It was never rebuilt & the second sawmill was eventually sold to private individuals. It continued to operate until about 1970, when it closed down & was demolished.

Several years after the main sawmill burnt, a CCC camp was started up on the old site. When the remains of the old mill was being removed to make way for this camp, something odd was found in a remote corner of the site. There was a stone set in the ground, which had an obvious man-made rectangle cut into it. Whatever fit into the hole, if anything ever did, was never located. A couple feet away was a pyramid-shaped rock with a very weathered, almost invisible cross carved into the top. Laying around this was a couple more small broken pieces & a piece or two of old concrete. No name, date, or anything was on either rock, only the dim cross on the biggest one. There were no signs of an actual grave there, like a depression, mound, or area of soil which looked different:


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The CCC crew, having been brought in from Wisconsin, didn't know the story of the train wreck & the missing man. They did however have the feeling that these stones meant SOMETHING, although none of them could agree on just what. Most thought they designated a grave, even though it appeared there had never been one dug there. But just to show respect, they left the rocks where they found them. They built a concrete slab for the pyramid to set on & also pulled the other stone out of the ground, poured concrete under it, & replaced it...assuring that it would never sink below ground level.

But right up to just a couple decades ago, there were several elderly locals who knew exactly what those stones were for. These were people who had been employed at the sawmill when the accident happened. A.C. Asher had no family that anyone knew about, but he had plenty of friends. His very best friend was Zary Cambert, the engineer who trusted Asher with his life. Cambert knew what had happened on that horrible night. During the weeks after the accident, recovering from the stress, he started filling in the gaps & piecing together the events. He learned of the heavy, isolated rain event which had occured while he was on the other side of the mountain. He went back to the accident scene several times by himself, carefully trying to remember exactly where the train was at each stage of the accident. He compared his own memories to those of his brakeman. And it soon became clear to him. Cambert's version of what had happened could never be proven without a body, & part of the story wouldn't even be believed by most people, so he rarely talked about it. But he confided in a few of his closest friends, who kept that story alive through the generations, for us to ponder upon today.

Asher had indeed performed his job that night, just as he had on every rainy night in the last several years. But Mother-Nature tried to work against him this night. That sudden & enormous down-pour had occured right at the exact time when the area below Asher's shack was primed for a flash-flood. The ground was already soaked to the point of saturation from the previous 12-16 hours of steady rain. The little marsh at the top of the creek was already full, ready to overflow. The cotton fields north of there all had water standing in them, with nowhere to go but downhill. All it needed was a little push. Asher, noticing that the train was running late (because of the fog, remember), realized he had no way of knowing exactly when it would arrive. He saw the huge storm building right over the area, so knew there was a good chance of a sudden rain swamping the tracks. To ensure that he was able to both keep watch on the creek, and catch the train in plenty of time, he sorta camped out at the half-way point....watching in one direction, waiting in the other direction. This half-way spot would have been right around the curve in the tracks, just SE of the creek. Unfortunately for him, this was also right inside the edge of the floodway.

As they are known to do, and as their very name suggests, the flash flood caused by the Supercell literally turned the floodway into a debris-choked river in seconds. Asher most likely was pummeled to death by limbs, branches, & possibly small trees which were caught in the flood, before he had a chance to even drown. The flash flood continued south, soon emptying it's contents into the swollen & rapidly flowing Fourche River. Everything that had been a part of the flash flood was tossed, tumbled, & broken apart as it was quickly taken downstream.

What was left behind was almost a half-mile of now somewhat calm water, about 3-5 feet deep. The flood might have even ripped apart some of the track there, which didn't really matter however. A log-train slamming into that water took care of that part just fine. Asher never had a chance....but he still had a job to do. There was now no one to warn the rapidly approaching train to slow down. He had never thought of his job as saving a train from wrecking. Instead, he looked at it as saving a couple of friends from being killed. So the very last thing he was able to accomplish on this Earth, even though his physical body was dead, was to give the two men aboard that train a very powerful shove overboard, seconds before they would have met the same fate as the train.

The few friends of Cambert's who were trusted enough by him to hear this version of events, knew that the man firmly believed this is what happened. Cambert had no body to bury, but he knew Asher deserved better than a simple obituary. And every person at Fort Smith Lumber who were aware of the exact events that night knew that also, even if they wouldn't mention it out-loud. So Mr. Gardner, the mill-owner, made sure that a nice quiet corner of the place was given to the engineer, so he could make a small memorial to the friend who had saved his life.

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But Asher never quit his job, and it's been a hundred years since he was killed. There's no train through there anymore, not even a set of tracks. The shack is long gone & the old foot-path can barely be traced. However, the same area still occasionally floods. The same little creek still flows. And the same little marsh is still there, now inhabited by beavers. There is now a modern gravel road nearby which occasionally floods also. His timing isn't just right for some odd reason, in that the few people who have seen Asher waving his lantern, have done so on mostly clear nights, not rainy ones. But hey, that was a hundred years ago. No one can blame him for getting the correct nights mixed up a little bit.

Soon, we'll see if we can add to the reports of a strange & unexplained light between the old rail-bed & where Asher's shack once was. To get in the correct area to see the lights, you'll have to follow the trail of a night-cache which will lead you close to the approximate location of the old shack. This one will most definitely not be for the easily spooked, timid, or the faint of heart. Are you brave enough to go into this area at night? Will you be one of the few lucky ones to see Mr. Asher's coal-oil lamp out there in the dark woods?

I am .... and I have:

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Notice will be placed at top of Part I, with link to the cache-page, as soon as it's ready to hunt.

grzz51
03-13-2010, 09:27 PM
Now this is one hellofva good story :D I'll definately be trying it :!:

QuartzCachers
03-14-2010, 06:34 AM
I couldn't wait to get to the Wi-Fi this morning to read the conclusion to this story, and you didn't disappoint me. Awesome story dude!
Three questions:
1. When will the cache be submitted?
2. When does the book come out?
3. Who has the courage to go with me to get this one?!
Great job David! :D :D :D

SJClimber
03-14-2010, 03:47 PM
Have you ever thought of writing for a living?? What a great story and so well put together. Many thanks for the tale. One will be reliving the event as he/she heads down the trail to the cache. Great work...Thanks again!!!

astrodav
03-14-2010, 05:35 PM
***Thanks for the compliments & just to answer some of the questions...

I have written all of my life, mostly amateur scientific articles dealing with my studies of astronomy. A few of those have been published in astronomy journals. Those aren't worth reading unless you like alot of technical mumbo-jumbo, like gravitational lensing, overlapping space-time dimensions, & mathematical singularities.

I did however take on an "additional assignment" of "unit historian" within 2 of the military units I was assigned to. I tracked down their lineage & history, bringing it all together into books which were eventually published, locally by the unit itself. These would be hard to find in the U.S., except in my own library at my home. Those units were the 173d Airborne Brigade in Vicenza, Italy & the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment at Fort Clayson, Panama, and their HQ's & unit libraries have copies available.

Maybe once or twice per year, I'll stumble across some bit of interesting history, such as the facts behind the story here. (Yes, a great deal of it is true. I've only used "artistic license" to add to the dramatics.) I'll spend several evenings researching all I can about it, then assemble it into either a completely true story of events, or build an interesting & somewhat believable tale around the true parts, which is what I tried to do here. I think I succeeded. 8) :D

I have considered publishing several books, but almost all of them dealing with the astronomy subjects mentioned above. I'm not really good enough to write a book-length story on something like what I've done here. I get the idea of how I want it to be & where I want it to go in my mind (which can only hold so much information....just a little bit), and I put it in print. I wind up with short-stories such as this & would have a hard time expanding on them much more.

It's something I enjoy doing. Most especially since I never deal in pure fiction, but always base them on at least some real facts & history, that satisfies my desire of researching into stuff like this. Others who have read my writings say they enjoy them, so I'm 100% happy to just do what I already do....put them up on free forums such as this for others to enjoy, if they like to read this type stuff.

.. Cache will be ready in a matter of days. I'll first need to do a seance with Mr. Asher, to make sure he doesn't mind.

flannelman
03-14-2010, 07:29 PM
A most excellent story indeed! Very well crafted and steeped in history. Just what I like. I'll go with ya Bruce. Just say when.

03-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Bruce....I'm in. Let me know when it is going to happen. I will go, but um, not by myself!

arkfiremedic
03-14-2010, 09:42 PM
I have saw the "Amy Light" on Hwy 7 north of Camden in Amy and it scared the crap outta me! I don't know what story of the light there is other than a man got ran over, chopped his head off, and now he wanders looking for his head. This story will add oh so more to the full effect of the light when it is seen. I would love to make this some group effort/event. It would be well worth my drive back up to that part of the world if I am off work. Thanks for the great story Astrodav.

QuartzCachers
03-15-2010, 05:56 PM
Allright guys! sounds like a wolfpack to me! We'll get something together when this cache is published. :D :D :D

arkfiremedic
03-15-2010, 06:04 PM
I guess all the foxes are too scared!

astrodav
03-15-2010, 06:22 PM
Update coming in a few minutes. Someone might have to call QC on the telephone to let him know the latest news about the cache, since he lives out there where Deliverance happened & has no internet like the rest of the modern world.

I would call .... but since it's my cache, that might be a bit inappropriate & ungentleman-like of me. 8) :wink:

astrodav
03-15-2010, 06:54 PM
I visited Mr. Asher late last night in his woods, to seek permission for doing a cache near his home. Unfortunately, I didn't see his light last night. It was a bit windy & in the last several years, he seems to prefer to show up on clear & calm nights.

However, when I mentioned my intent, any hint of a breeze completely stopped & there was not even the slightest rustle of leaves to be heard. I took this as meaning that he was curious about my cache-idea & was interested in hearing me talk more about it.....so I did. Sitting on a stump out in the middle of a pine thicket, at 11:00 p.m., with not another human soul (living at least) anywhere around, I started talking out loud. I'm sure the deer & raccoons got a laugh out of that.

But anyway, not a sound was heard for the 5 minutes or so that it took me to explain what I wanted to do. After that, when I was done, the wind picked back up & the normal forest-sounds started again. I feel confident, because of those happenings, that I received an "OK" to proceed.

During this trip, I pretty much found the best route in to take, so as to stay as much on good dry land as possible, but also to pass over, beside, or along some of the locations in the story. I went back today & tweaked the route just a bit, but didn't have time to actually start making the cache. You'll cross over one of the better preserved pieces of the old tram. The BEST parts are on private land, but I wanted to stay on public Corp land. Since this is a pine plantation, it has been worked over by bulldozer years ago. But there's plenty left of the old tram to know it when you cross it.

I also found several areas where the old foot-path weaved in & out of the cache-route, so you'll see that also. I pushed just a bit deeper into the plantation & found a curious little mound of dirt. I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling this might be the very location of the old shack, the remains of it having been bulldozed into this mound when the pines were planted. So this will most likely be the end of the cache-route, as it's probaly the best place to have a chance at seeing the light if it decides to show up the night you are there.

I have a VA appt at Little Rock tomorrow. I always search for caches on the way back from these trips, so most likely will arrive home too late to do anything with this cache. As long as it doesn't rain, I'll start making the trail Wednesday. I'll probaly do it in the daytime, then go back at night to tweak the reflectors a bit. So, if everything goes well, it should be loaded up to the site late Wednesday or Thursday.

You can just barely see that little mound I stumbled upon in the left-center of this picture. The little ridge in the fore-ground is, best that I could figure out, the last few yards of the old foot-path leading up to the old shack:


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Get your head-lamps, decent hi-top boots (for briars, not wading), & your courage gathered up. The cache is imminent. Probaly want to bring your camera, in case the light shows up. You'll be mad at yourself if you happen to see it & can't record proof of the sighting.

And if you really want to have fun, do this by carbide-light. :lol: I'm sure 'ole Asher would get a chuckle out of that. I have a nice carbide spelunking light, & the carbide to go with it, if anyone ever wants to try it that way .... just ask.

arkfiremedic
03-15-2010, 07:11 PM
With your expert story telling abilities Astrodav this would be most wonderful as an event. :D Maybe then some of those scaredy foxes would come out if there were big bad wolves protecting them :wink:

astrodav
03-15-2010, 07:44 PM
Oddly since you mentioned it, there is an ideal place for an event nearby .... Sunlight Bay. Camping, fishing, & all those neat things to have available, such as restrooms. There's no building however, but is a really nice & big pavilion.

The surrounding 2-5 miles is loaded with history, such as a couple cemetary's, a couple old town-sites (nothing there anymore), an old iron bridge, stuff like that. Being mostly Corps land, it's ideal for caching. A million places to set temporarys & at least a dozen places which would make decent night caches.

Only thing is, it would 100% have to be scheduled at "normal" pool level for Lake Nimrod, & preferably at least a week after any rain. This isn't usually very hard to do, since we almost always have a couple long periods of almost no rain, around the June - September time-frame.

I could always build a couple of area-related stories to tell around the camp-fire, connecting them to some caches, as I've done here. Might be fun.

We'll keep that in mind & approach the idea a little later in the year.

jclaudii
03-24-2010, 08:19 AM
This sounds like an AWESOME cache, It has been a while since I seen a cache with this much effort (history, facts, and story telling) not to mention it being a night cache!

You know since whoever searches for this cache will be out there at night, have you thought about putting an "additional story" in the actual cache container to add to the current effect of standing in the woods in the middle of the night just for the cache finders? With your writing skills, I'm sure you could scare the pants off of those who read the extended details.

It may be a while before SG and I can do this cache, but we look forward to doing this cache.

astrodav
03-24-2010, 11:10 AM
I didn't actually think of the exact thing you are talking about, but sorta similar. The last section of the cache-page is designed to carry with you & expands on about 3-4 of the Waypoints marked with dual-reflecters.

But your idea is interesting. Here's another idea, about the same:

Each reflecter, or at least the major locations, will actually be located ON a small cache. Those caches will be at key locations in the trail & have a short expanded story inside of the events which happened there.

Although I love writing, I love researching, & I love hiding caches .... I don't really want to do a great many like this one. The novelty might wear off. I like the "more story in the cache" idea & may start planning one of those, if I can locate another bit of history somewhere which I can build something around.

idratherbehiking
03-24-2010, 03:23 PM
Now it is starting to sound like a possible idea for a WhereIGO cache.

astrodav
03-24-2010, 04:17 PM
Now it is starting to sound like a possible idea for a WhereIGO cache.

Not from me. :lol:

For one, I'm not set up for WIG's. I'm sure I could use my laptop in the truck & do them, but I personally think that's too much trouble for 1 whole cache in the state. (Last time I looked -- Burn's Park)

To supplement my Triton & Nuvi when I'm hiding caches, I've been pricing an eTrex HC or HCX. The former are GREAT for finding, but not quite as good for hiding. I was initially considering 3 Garmin models ... the eTrex, the mid-level Dakota (30 I think), & a lower-level Oregon (400 I think). They will all do what I was wanting from the eTrex (averaging). But the Dakota has a slightly bigger diplay, which is touch-screen, & the Oregon is even bigger, and has WIG capability.

But I played with a Dakota for a while & felt all the time like I was about to break it. It didn't have any rubberized covering anywhere on it, just smooth & slick plastic, and just felt REALLY cheap. And even with the slightly bigger display, it wasn't big enough for a touch-screen. So I dropped that one from my list rather quickly.

Then I decided to go with the Oregon. But having only a single WIG cache in Arkansas, and reading all kinds of feedback about how sometimes the cartridges work right & sometimes they don't, I decided the extra $$$'s just wasn't worth it.

So I won't be doing any WhereIGo'ing anytime soon. But if someone wants to borrow the ideas mentioned here & set one up somewhere .... won't hurt my feelings a bit. Contrary, I'd like to see it happen. If a half-dozen or more eventually pop up in the western half of the state, I'll most likely then find justification for buying something to find them with.