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  1. #11
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    finger pointing

    Thats just what we need black knight...more finger pointing.

    I bet you were the kid that stuck a stick in the fireant mound to watch em come out boiling mad.

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    Re: Liar, liar pants on fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by twooldcrows
    Some members when they get 100, 200, 300 and 500 caches (congratulations to this cachers) they get acknowledged and some don’t.
    To get this thread back on track, I must say that I did not perceive the purpose of these congratulatory posts to be exclusionary by any means. I simply see them as a friendly gesture among fellow members.

    Further, it would be a very time-consuming job to track each member's number of finds and then post congratulatory messages every time a milestone is reached. (If someone would like to take on this daunting task, go for it!)
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    Nose as long as a telephone wire

    I saw this post this past weekend but could not post anything at the time since I had to hit the road and get back to Arkansas. Since then it has been interesting to see the comments and the direction this thread has taken. I am fairly new to this sport (hobby?) and have only been caching for a few months.

    I would like to apologize for:

    Posting a new topic announcing my 100th find. At the time I thought I was doing just what everybody else did on their local GC site. Now I see that I was just gloating and wanting undeserved comments from others.

    Finding one of GK38's caches twice. Sorry man, I screwed up and went back to one of your caches by mistake 2 months later. I signed the log book a second time and actually remembered to post the find on the GC site the second time around.

    Not going to either CITO event. I was new to geocaching. I was unsure about meeting others and I couldn't convince my wife to go to Withrow Springs. When I did finally decide to try for the other one the date came and went. I forgot about it. Jack can hold me down while Topkitty gives me a noogie.

    Doing the Mission Impossible cache. I shamefully admit I did it for no other reason then to try and get the opportunity to meet fellow ArkGeo cachers. Is this the secret clique? Did I somehow stumble into the inner circle? All I need now is the secret handshake and password!

    Asking for help. Yes, I have done it and I am so sorry that I did it. Maybe I will start using a new acronym - HHF (Had Help Finding) then I can be open about it and not have to come under any scrutiny. Sometimes the owner gives a direct hint or help and, sometimes, they just gently nudge you in the right direction. Either way it is shameful and disgraceful.

    Finding a cache, not signing the log and then taking credit for it. Actually, I don't apologize for this. Have you ever gone through every bramble, briar, thicket and ant pile in 90° heat just to find the cache and realize that you don't have anything to sign the log with? Not take credit? Kiss my Avatar.
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    So far, I have only met a handful of local cachers in realtime. Everyone of them have been friendly, helpful and courteous. There are many I have not met but have taken note of from their postings and proximity to my "local" caching area. Many of them I want to meet. Especially grandkid38 for the wonderful Burns Park caches, LE and her brood, topkitty and geoj, backpacknjack (I want a ride in his car), Rhone, and even twooldcrows! Many more! What a kindred group of people. Thanks for being there.

    Is there a clique? If so, and you are in it, then you have probably been here from the start. You deserve your status. Maybe one day I can fit in. Until then I am going to run up my numbers for my benefit!

    Oh, and I will probably be away from geocaching for awhile. I will let you know when I can come back.

    Just like Otus the Head Cat in the Arkansas Dem Gazette - not everything you read is real. Most of it is tongue in cheek. Take it with a huge grain of salt.

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    Re: Nose as long as a telephone wire

    Quote Originally Posted by SpankytheWizard
    I saw this post this past weekend but could not post anything at the time since I had to hit the road and get back to Arkansas. Since then it has been interesting to see the comments and the direction this thread has taken. I am fairly new to this sport (hobby?) and have only been caching for a few months.

    I would like to apologize for:

    Posting a new topic announcing my 100th find. At the time I thought I was doing just what everybody else did on their local GC site. Now I see that I was just gloating and wanting undeserved comments from others.

    Finding one of GK38's caches twice. Sorry man, I screwed up and went back to one of your caches by mistake 2 months later. I signed the log book a second time and actually remembered to post the find on the GC site the second time around.

    Not going to either CITO event. I was new to geocaching. I was unsure about meeting others and I couldn't convince my wife to go to Withrow Springs. When I did finally decide to try for the other one the date came and went. I forgot about it. Jack can hold me down while Topkitty gives me a noogie.

    Doing the Mission Impossible cache. I shamefully admit I did it for no other reason then to try and get the opportunity to meet fellow ArkGeo cachers. Is this the secret clique? Did I somehow stumble into the inner circle? All I need now is the secret handshake and password!

    Asking for help. Yes, I have done it and I am so sorry that I did it. Maybe I will start using a new acronym - HHF (Had Help Finding) then I can be open about it and not have to come under any scrutiny. Sometimes the owner gives a direct hint or help and, sometimes, they just gently nudge you in the right direction. Either way it is shameful and disgraceful.

    Finding a cache, not signing the log and then taking credit for it. Actually, I don't apologize for this. Have you ever gone through every bramble, briar, thicket and ant pile in 90° heat just to find the cache and realize that you don't have anything to sign the log with? Not take credit? Kiss my Avatar.
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    So far, I have only met a handful of local cachers in realtime. Everyone of them have been friendly, helpful and courteous. There are many I have not met but have taken note of from their postings and proximity to my "local" caching area. Many of them I want to meet. Especially grandkid38 for the wonderful Burns Park caches, LE and her brood, topkitty and geoj, backpacknjack (I want a ride in his car), Rhone, and even twooldcrows! Many more! What a kindred group of people. Thanks for being there.

    Is there a clique? If so, and you are in it, then you have probably been here from the start. You deserve your status. Maybe one day I can fit in. Until then I am going to run up my numbers for my benefit!

    Oh, and I will probably be away from geocaching for awhile. I will let you know when I can come back.

    Just like Otus the Head Cat in the Arkansas Dem Gazette - not everything you read is real. Most of it is tongue in cheek. Take it with a huge grain of salt.
    Wow, do I detect extreme SARCASM??? Kinda seems like it to me, but hey if I am wrong......
    Let me add my .02 to your comments if I may.....Oh wait I may
    1. I personally don't see any problem with anyone posting they found a milestone 100, 200, 300 etc....I also don't see any problem with other cachers congratulating someone on the milestone.

    2. I also don't see anything wrong with visiting a cache and noting that in the logbook at the cache site more than once, I have been to several caches more than once, but I only log a find ONCE, unless that is the owner has changed the location. If the location is changed I usually log it as a find again.

    3. As I said earlier in this thread, if you live in the area of the cache I find it pointless to ask for help, log a DNF and go look for it again next weekend. Anyone ever asked the owner for a hint just so you could be a FTF? If so that is more shameful and disgraceful than just asking for help.

    4. Finally the best for last, no I have NEVER went caching when I didn't have some type of writing utensil to sign a log book, I care a couple of pens with me, just in case the cache is missing a writing instrument. I also carry a pen with me, because I hate using those nubs of pencils to sign a Micro. I firmly believe if you don't sign the log at the cache site, the owner of the cache has every right to delete your online log (hence decreasing your numbers.) So my advice on that one would be take the Boy Scout motto to heart, Be prepared.

    5. Oh wait, I do have a question......What benefit is there of running your numbers up?

    I also wonder why only a certain few cachers have not commented on this thread.....................

    DK

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    Sarcasm, moi? I guess I am not as funny as I thought

    Sorry DK, Not sarcasm, but humor.

    In my entire post I took pot shots at myself and no one else. I did not point a finger or cast any blame or innuendo on a fellow cacher. If I have discovered one universal truth in my first six months. It is that we are all a bunch of individuals that have a desire to geocache - whether a little or a lot. Individuals. With different opinions and lives.

    So here is my clarification to your responses in hopes that nobody misunderstood me the first time around:

    5. I am not "running my numbers up" and, I also see no benefit in doing so. There is no cash prize for whoever has the most at the end of the day. Just satisfaction. Find what you want when you want it. If someone derives their whole raison de la vie from caching - let 'em.

    4. Sorry, I was prepared to sign the log. I did have a pencil. Seems I dropped it somewhere along the way. I did not have it velcroed to my body. It happens. I also have never had an owner question whether I have found their cache. If they did I could probably describe the area well enough to satisfy them. I hate it when someone goes to my caches and has a DNF. It's supposed to be fun, not frustrating.

    3. Wow, I agree!

    2. This was one of those things that was totally, 100% tongue-in-cheek. I was trying to portray MY complete boneheadedness at going to the same cache - by accident - a second time. Not logging it twice but actually finding it twice because I FORGOT that I had done so. Yuk Yuk.

    1. Again, another attempt at humor and something that took a potshot at me. Since you had posted that you agreed 100% with most, if not all, that twooldcrows had to say I attempted to deflect criticism towards myself since I was a recent poster of my 100th find and many people had taken the time to - ohmigod! - congratulate me. Did that "arrow of shame" hit close to home? Yes, it did. But, I have tried to speak in specifics and not generalities. I haven't done any broad stroke condemnation on this forum nor tried to tar a whole group with the same brush. Now, that's a cliché.

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    This topic is just getting stupid. Needless to say I have not read much of the Smart A$$ stuff here.
    If your not living life on the edge your taking up too much space!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansas_stickerdude
    This topic is just getting stupid. Needless to say I have not read much of the Smart A$$ stuff here.
    If I had to guess I would bet you had read every word. Otherwise why add a worthless comment to the thread??????????

    Maybe your time would be more well spent hiding another worthless micro.

    DK

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    Note: The steering committee is working on guidelines for what will be acceptable and not acceptable post. However, at the moment they have not been posted. We are also working on getting moderator for the forum. Gaddiel and myself will be moderators representing the committee. At the moment Gaddiel has moderator capabilities and I will in the future will have moderator capabilities. (Aside: we will look at one or two non committee members to be moderators also.)

    Now with that said: DK and Dude please remember to keep your comments friendly and constructive. Please keep any personal attacks to yourselves. Please consider this a warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACKPACKNJACK
    One person does not make a good site and one person does not make a bad site although I do agree some people should be banned/censured after a certain amount of flamming and I believe the whole committee should have to agree for this to be done and a warning should come first. (disagreement vs flamming)
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    See, I agreed with you even before you said it.
    DK
    Here is the way I see it. If you don't tone it down you are going to be banned, if you are banned you will create yet another alter-ego and if you don't change your words and attitude you will get busted-out again just as before so nothing will be gained. If you have unsolvable issues with caching you can just stop caching. If you have unsolvable issues with some cachers then just don't read them or don't comment on them. If you have constructive tools are ideals to make caching or this group or this site better then lets here it. Flamming isn't changing anything so let's see the tools and hear the ideals you think will make things better. I'm working on something myself (hope to share it soon) and so are other members.
    Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time.

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    Coming back for one more time for a whipping. I know a lot of you think all we do is whine but here is our final bitch session. We have a good idea what happens when a cacher submits a thread in this forum. We thought the forum was where you bring out a few things for the group to discuss try to have a better organization. It seems that instead a few cachers have been hurt and have hard feeling .

    We would like to Congratulate grandkid 38 for his 80 hides. It takes lots of time, effort, organizing and lots of maintenance. We have enjoyed your caches when we visit Little Rock, We wonder about your posting, “To help our buddies get higher numbers, I just noticed we hit 80 with the placement of our last cache“. does this mean that we can not do any more of your caches? We would like to congratulate Rhone and woodwalker9 for their 700 find. We know what it takes. We worked on our 500 and were hoping to get it with in a year, we got close and that was our goal. We have had many types of experiences, challenging, puzzling, long and short hikes, many beautiful, historical places, we even have been escorted by police officers because few caches were hidden on private property without permission . I have even been threatened by one man who said he would kill me with a shot gun for trespassing. One was a real close call it’s a miracle it didn’t turn out bad , it made jerry believe that there is a guardian Angel. I called ASdude about the trouble as his was the only cell phone # I had . Sometimes it is a good idea to have cell phone #‘s of other cachers for emergency. If we had posted our cell # when nonnipoppy had a experience @ Blue Mountain Overlook, GCJEYR, we are about 8.8 miles as strait as a crow fly we could have gone to his rescue.

    Like any group we do have one or two smart alecks . (by the way you can kiss our Avatar we will be glad to bend over for you.) We would join you any time to rake up one way or another our numbers so we can look good too. Join you at noon or @ midnight @ any cache box with our GPS , flashlights and all our gadgets connected to rake up our numbers and a lots FTF. Better yet, How about making it more challenging one, FTF with out any help from any human connection, e-mail, cell phone just a GPS, then we really can brag about it. LOL.

    One mistake we made was to go to this siteL http://grand_high_pobah.home.comcast.net/Arkansas1.html if it doesn’t work try to copy and paste this:http://grand_high_pobah.home.comcast.net/Arkansas1.html. ) This is where you can see everyone’s numbers and we have to admit we got sucked into the competition this site fosters. I guess that is why so many cachers burn out early they get into the competition thing. We have cached from Little Rock, AR. To Oklahoma City, OK. and from Forth Smith, AR. To Joplin, MO. And we enjoyed them all. We cached in Maryland and surrounding States. We have meet cachers with 3000 to 4000 caches under their belt and they are no different than those who have 1.

    Withrow Springs might be far for some of us, but few cachers have gone caching to other events even farther then Withrow Spring.

    Some cachers from AR. criticize and cut down the caches in Miami, OK. saying there are to easy or lame caches or that it is easy to rake up the numbers in Miami. It is puzzling that the same cachers go there are the ones that criticize them. Our opinion is, that Miami, OK. caches owners are proud of their Town and want us to enjoy our efforts. In fact they are as good or better then AR.

    We did get few private e-mail from cachers to our thread. We do not want to create any problem, but we noticed a lot of cachers have been hurt and are holding bad feeling against each other. We thought the idea of a forum was to work together and help each other out. But the negative vibes on the forum sure don’t help much. Those who have greater experience and lot more finds than others , hardly ever comment on the forum. Is this because they have no comment or are they afraid of the criticism.

    Here some examples we received, after our latest post, most felt the same concerns as we did. They stated they didn‘t like the consequences of speaking up in the forum and we do understand that feeling. Email responses like: (“I would totally agree with you on numerous observations you made. That is one reason I do not go to Clarksville to cache anymore, most of the caches were put there to drive up the numbers of finds and hides most are in strange and uninteresting places .
    ( “Birds of the feather , flock together“. Check their numbers? )
    (I enjoy geocaching, as a matter of fact it is one of my favorite things to do, but a lot of the cr*p and politics that go on, that is just stupid for something I enjoy. I don't think we needed a "steering committee" or anything like that. )
    ((Some people just think they have to be in the spotlight. We just wanted to let you know that we entirely agree with what you posted. - every time you try to contribute to a subject you get flamed.)
    ( No point in asking for more! We have run into the same problems as you since we're obviously not on the "insider group" and it's not worth the hassle to try to be part of this anymore. There are several truly nice people in the group - they just happen to be outnumbered by the other kind! Or the others are just more vocal!”) All the e-mail are about the same concern.

    We did not mean to said that Arkansasgeocacher .org is bad, We do have wonderful people in the organization . I guess our ideas don’t come across in text as they would face to face. We have meet a lot of cacher in the organization and at the Meeting, or while caching and the majority are great people doing something they enjoy. I guess there is always a bad apple(s) in any org. and the many shouldn’t be blamed for the few. For us it is better to stay away from the Forum. It just upsets us to see people getting picked on for no good reason. Like your mom or dad always said treat others are you would like to be treated.

    When it come to politics, church or any other organizations then I would like to see them kept by the rules. I do understand that in Geocaching people make their own rules by what they have learned. Hey Geocaching is Geocaching but when it is a club, it is different. Everyone should be treated to same. I guess I do understand but it still surprises me how the cachers that post are treated so differently. Thank you for the comments. Geocaching is a game for our enjoyment and pleasure and we do enjoy it. We just shouldn’t have joined the forum. We took it too serious. Rules are rules. Again it is a game for our enjoyment. We are happy to see how fast the sport is growing and that are so many new members. All good thing must come to an end. Good Bye.
    We are not pointing fingers, we are pointing out some friction between cachers. It’s been fun but we have decided to remove ourselves from this forum. Personal. If we have offended anyone we are truly sorry. If the shoe fits, wear it.

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