Cemetary and Church Geocaches
I am curious to know what people in the Arkansas geocaching community think of church and cemetary geocaches. There seem to be quite a bit of them around here. After geocaching in Alaska where there are not a lot of cemetery caches they give me the creeps....especially when there isn't a note on the cache page saying that the owners of the cemetery or church gave permission. What do the rest of you think?
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I agree with everything that has been said about cemetery caches. I love them. Creepy? - not at all. I lived across the road from a cemetery for over 30 years and not one time did any of the residents cause the slightest bit of disturbance.
You struck on one thing that too few people pay attention to, namely:
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Originally Posted by HercRx
....especially when there isn't a note on the cache page saying that the owners of the cemetery or church gave permission.
All land everywhere is owned by someone, even cemeteries. I know of very few government owned cemeteries so they must be privately owned. The guidelines say you must get the owner's permission to place a cache on private lands. I dare say 99.9% of the cemetery caches were placed without permission.
You cache hiders need to get your act together as far as cemeteries go. Get permission and post details of the permission in the cache description. I would hate for a Sherwood police incident to happen in one of our fine cemeteries.
Geezer
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Originally Posted by Geezer_Veazey
..............You struck on one thing that too few people pay attention to, namely:
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Originally Posted by HercRx
....especially when there isn't a note on the cache page saying that the owners of the cemetery or church gave permission.
....................You cache hiders need to get your act together as far as cemeteries go. Get permission and post details of the permission in the cache description. I would hate for a Sherwood police incident to happen in one of our fine cemeteries.
Geezer
This is a great point! But saying you have permission on the cache page does not mean you really did get the permission. On the other hand having permission does not require it to be put on the cache page. I daresay that 90% of the cemetery caches in Johnson County ARE placed with permission. We even have cemetery board members as cache placers. Just as we have church members placing caches at their place of worship. In one instance the cache was placed by the music director of the church.
Everyone is different but we prefer to assume that ALL caches are placed with permission. If in fact we find that is not correct we will deal with that situation when the need arises and spend no energy worrying in advance.
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Originally Posted by nonnipoppy
Everyone is different but we prefer to assume that ALL caches are placed with permission. If in fact we find that is not correct we will deal with that situation when the need arises and spend no energy worrying in advance.
Just like you, nonnipoppy, we assume that everyone is playing by the rules and has gotten permission before placing a cache.
However, it is VERY comforting when the owner explicitly states on the cache page that permission was received. Even better would be to know the person or body that gave that permission, although this is not always appropriate or feasible.
I'm not saying everyone should start doing it that way, but as a seeker, it IS reassuring to see it.
Wayne
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Originally Posted by nonnipoppy
Everyone is different but we prefer to assume that ALL caches are placed with permission.
A lot of bad things can happen when you assume (pronounced ass'u'me'). Whenever a cache hider makes a representation I take them at their word. If they are silent on permission, I assume that permission was not sought. Oftentimes I deem the risk not sufficient to deter me, but not always. To me, the ideal situation as a cache hunter would be to have the permittor named in the cache description for possible future reference, if needed.
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Originally Posted by OEnavigator
I think one solution would be to provide that info to the reviewer and have he/she verify and then place a note stating:
Cache placed with permission of owner verified by reviewer......
This would work for me, but it may be putting too much of a burden on the reviewer who is a volunteer and I imagine already under a pretty heavy load.
Geezer
P.S. I just hit the preview button and got a chuckle when I discovered that the host software changed my pronunciation of 'assume'
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Don't forget that you just might be trespassing when finding all the Tram-law caches or fast food places or any other "public places" with caches that are actually privately owned.
According to the general censes in here those need to be approved by the owner of the land as well.
This being said a lot of land (and buildings) that businesses are on are not even owned by the business itself, but rented/leased from another party. You are talking about a long period of trying to get permission before even finding the correct person who can grant the appropriate premission for a cache to be on their land.
I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate, but I don't know of too many cachers who would not take the time to obtain the 3rd party's persmission much less the city's or the governing body's permission before placing a cache.
As an individual, responsible for your own actions, you must proceed with caution AND CARE when finding any cache whether it is on private or public land.
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Originally Posted by geowoodstock
Don't forget that you just might be trespassing when finding all the Tram-law caches or fast food places or any other "public places" with caches that are actually privately owned.
According to the general censes in here those need to be approved by the owner of the land as well.
This being said a lot of land (and buildings) that businesses are on are not even owned by the business itself, but rented/leased from another party. You are talking about a long period of trying to get permission before even finding the correct person who can grant the appropriate premission for a cache to be on their land.
This is an interesting thought as well. I have done a few of these caches and often have wondered if anyone (in charge) in the store or restaurant knows or approves the cache. Granted, the big owners in Bentonville might not know or approve a cache, but shouldn't the approval of the store manager or leasee be enough? After all, they are the ones beholden to the service their big bosses. Also, the question deserves to be ask....with Tram-laW's global reach don't we think that they knew about geocaching and formulated their stance long ago? Surely a cache has been found by a muggle employee, brought to the attention of someone in charge who has talked about it at length with corporate.
Regardless of any of this....the bottom line still stands: All geocaches placed on private property should have permission from the owner or administrator. AND...it is a warm fuzzy feeling to see proof of such permission on the geocaching page.